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    Arrow Samsung Galaxy S2 - live or die

    This topic is a mixture of review, discussion and reasoning response to the news that came out a couple of days ago about the Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100 probably not getting an upgrade to the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean OS (found here: [ Login above or register to see download links. ]).

    I've decided to split the content into several parts and highlight in red color the main points of my view on this for those of you that are in a hurry, but I recommend reading it all to see how and why my view is what it is.


    PART 1: What are titans made of
    Let's start by pointing out the basic facts: Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100 and Samsung Galaxy S3 GT-i9300 are not that different in terms of hardware (obviously S3 is more powerful but the core components are the same).

    The hardware differences are:
    • Screen and resolution (Galaxy S3 has a bigger screen and 720p resolution while the S2 has a 480p)
    • Galaxy S3 has Bluetooth 4.0 as opposed to 3.0 in the S2
    • Galaxy S3 comes with a quad-core Cortex-A9 CPU as opposed to dual-core Cortex-A9 CPU on the Galaxy S2
    • Wolfson sound chip in Galaxy S3 as opposed to Yamaha cound chip in the Galaxy S2


    Source: [ Login above or register to see download links. ]

    As you can see, excluding the CPU, the other hardware differences are not really what one might call "decisive" when it comes to operating systems.


    PART 2: The important facts
    To prove my point with all this, the following information must be made clear:

    The Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100 was released in February 2011 as Samsung's flagship phone, remaining the most powerful and popular smartphone of 2011 and Q1 and Q2 of 2012, along with winning the best smartphone award for 2011.
    The Samsung Galaxy S3 GT-i9300 was released in May 2012 as Samsung's flagship phone achieving incredible sales even before it was released.

    Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100 is more powerful in hardware (GPU specifically) than the Samsung Galaxy Nexus (comparative: [ Login above or register to see download links. ])

    The Nexus family (starting from Nexus S, a Galaxy S1 GT-i9000 class device) phones will all receive the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean update, proving that even old phones can handle the new OS (Source: [ Login above or register to see download links. ]).
    Android 4.1 Jelly Bean is proven to be far more efficient in resources than Android 4.0.X Ice Cream Sandwich.


    PART 3: Live or die, when and why

    If we take under consideration all the information above, you will find out that the Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100 has more than capable hardware to handle the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean OS without any negative results.
    Then why is Samsung not giving the older brother of it's current flagship the green light for an upgrade at this point? The reasons appear to be solely time and money.

    Porting an OS is a time consuming job which often means your employes will be busy doing one thing and not something else. While there are a million Android phones on the market, it's obvious that you cant simply push all of them forward and more often than not,the low and mid-range devices have to be left out to secure the "future" of the high end and flagship devices. This is common not just with phones but pretty much any product in existence.
    But while all that is understandable and acceptable in nearly all cases, the Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100 was the previous flag ship for the company and still remains one of the most popular phones on the market, for both it's price and nearly complete dominance over the Dual-Core phone range, so the excuse that the company needs to move forward cannot apply in this case.

    At this point you should be asking why was it acceptable with the Samsung Galaxy S GT-i9000 but not with the Galaxy S2 GT-i9100. The answer is fairly simple: the Galaxy S GT-i9000's was Samsung's flagship. It's Hardware was indeed getting too old. It comes with a powerful GPU to handle Android 4.0.X but it packed a 1gHz single core CPU and just 512MB RAM, which was a pretty huge difference when compared to the next best thing, that being the Galaxy S2 GT-i9100. But when you compare the the Galaxy S3 and Galaxy S2, the difference is far, far smaller.
    Was the reason why Galaxy S GT-i9000 really a hardware thing, simple smooth-performance thing or a basic commercial push-forward for the new phones will never be 100% clear, but with the Galaxy S2 GT-i9100, the answer is as clear as the high-quality screens the devices come with.

    I would like to take a moment here to make something clear: a "flagship" device is the device that will represent the company, usually being the most powerful and high quality piece of work they can offer. One interesting characteristic for hardware flagships is longer life span when compared to other things due to the hardware itself being powerful enough to last longer than the r.

    PART 4: True Value?
    A Value Pack update still seems nice, why not take it, the features in Android 4.1 Jelly Bean are not that good anyway?

    Well, as a regular consumer I personally don't mind being left out of the better voice-search and other similar new or improved features. Afterall, what do the majority of people do with their phones, business work? I'd say not. Gaming, internet, music, video, camera...those are the things most people want and more often than not are the only things that determine for us what phones are good and what phones are bad.
    But the true reason why the Galaxy S2 needs the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean update is a lot more simple than "features" - pure performance.
    There have been several public statements and benchmarks that show a considerable general performance improvement in Android 4.1 as opposed to Android 4.0.X. To me as a user that matters a lot, personally more than any other feature and change in Google's new OS.


    PART 5: Conclusion
    Why is Samsung in such a rush to bury the Galaxy S2?

    Usually there are doubts left. Incapable hardware, device that was on the market too long, and other similar limitations.
    In this case however, there is no doubt, if the upgrade is denied to the Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100, it's purely a product-pushing decision.

    To me as a consumer, the company's loyalty to me matters a lot for my choice for hardware. If a company turns it's back on me, I'll most likely turn my back on it aswell. I believe most consumers tend to share that point of view. Before I purchased my Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-i9100, I used Android phones from two different companies, one was a mid-low range phone that lasted but a couple of months before it became obsolete, the other one lasted a little over half a year. While the first one didn't disappoint me, afterall it was a cheap and outdated phone, the second one made me leave the company for good, and that was only because the phone was denied support, despite being a fairly popular and new phone.
    But here, we are not talking about just a popular phone or a new phone, we're talking about a device that was just two months ago your pride and glory, the ultimate Android flagship on the market. If you're so quick to dismiss a flagship after just one year on the market, I pity the Galaxy S3 already.


    So I would like to ask you - don't abandon it, at least not like this.
    Last edited by CrisR82; 07-08-2012 at 13:19. Reason: Added some info

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    great and tidy work

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    SGS2 wont be getting Jellybean because of the hardware recommendations by Google 720p and quad core CPU are recommendations by them your forgetting that Google that make Android and NOT Samsung yes its Samsung that choose not to update GS2 but set the recommendations for Jellybean apparently Jellybean and touchwiz will make the phone slow and wont run smoothly together thats Samsungs reason/excuse based on Googles recommendations for Jellybean [ Login above or register to see download links. ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashme [ Login above or register to see download links. ]
    SGS2 wont be getting Jellybean because of the hardware recommendations by Google 720p and quad core CPU are recommendations by them your forgetting that Google that make Android and NOT Samsung yes its Samsung that choose not to update GS2 but set the recommendations for Jellybean apparently Jellybean and touchwiz will make the phone slow and wont run smoothly together thats Samsungs reason/excuse based on Googles recommendations for Jellybean [ Login above or register to see download links. ]
    Nexus S (480x800, 512MB RAM, 1GHz Cortex-A8, PowerVR SGX540) will get Android 4.1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrisR82 [ Login above or register to see download links. ]
    Nexus S (480x800, 512MB RAM, 1GHz Cortex-A8, PowerVR SGX540) will get Android 4.1.
    yea i know that thats just Samsung answer to why the S2 wont get it they said it with 4.04 and its got it but to be honest with 4.1 not having flash support why would you want 4.1 Jellybean ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashme [ Login above or register to see download links. ]
    yea i know that thats just Samsung answer to why the S2 wont get it they said it with 4.04 and its got it but to be honest with 4.1 not having flash support why would you want 4.1 Jellybean ??
    Flash can be ported as it was done many times for older CPUs.
    As to why I want JB - you didn't read my first post did you...the performance difference is not just something small, it's NOTICEABLE. What does that mean? - Lag-free gaming. Better use of the CPU and GPU of the phone, just overall smoothness.

    Also, Flash is an outdated technology that will slowly be replaced by HTML5 over the next 2 years so you won't even need it for much longer anyway.

    And if Samsung decides to go "lazy" on this one (seriously, abandoning one of the most powerful phones on the market so fast, that says a lot by itself), as a consumer, I'll decide to turn to a mode serious company for my next purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrisR82 [ Login above or register to see download links. ]
    Nexus S (480x800, 512MB RAM, 1GHz Cortex-A8, PowerVR SGX540) will get Android 4.1.
    I agree with you. When I read the Nexus S specs first time I thought Google was crazy for sponsor a phone that is less powerful than the Galaxy S2. Now Google or Samsung are saying that Galaxy S2 will not receive the most-wanted update is just a kick in our ass without passing by GO and neither receiving 200 bucks.

    Están locos!!

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    If Samung will not update S2 to Jelly Bean this will be my last device from Samsung ! I'll look in the future only for a "pure Google" device .....

    I'm fed up of Samung opportunistic commercial choices ... if Samung will loose about half of the 30 million customers for that, than I suppose she invest more time to support his old device ....

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    I'm just waiting for my phone's warranty to expire... that way I'll be free to experiment with custom ROMs... if Samsung will not support this device, others will... and they're not Samsung employees, rather people who just have the passion to create wonders for their Android phones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francis820 [ Login above or register to see download links. ]
    I'm just waiting for my phone's warranty to expire... that way I'll be free to experiment with custom ROMs... if Samsung will not support this device, others will... and they're not Samsung employees, rather people who just have the passion to create wonders for their Android phones.
    A company abandoning a device before it's specs are outdated is normal, I can accept that, it's been on the market for a couple of years people need to move forward...that's perfectly ok.

    A flagship device has been on the market for 1 year and now it'll get abandoned...THAT is unacceptable...if it's abandoned after 4.1, ok that's reasonable, by the time 5.0 comes out the S2 will be old enough to be unsupported, but right now I see it as way too young to be left in the dust with only the community to take care of it.

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